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Try it out, it's pretty sweet. I've known about this for a long time and really holding my breath on it. Now I can finally say, get it! It rocks.

Makes elowel even sweeter. I really like the speed, self-contained tabs and that the mouseover on recent posts is wicked fast.



Try it and let me know what you think!

Avatar sara *
09-02-08 15:47
Have some tea.
I read about Google's browser this morning and felt a little conflicted. As excited as I am to try it out, I can't help but feel like I'd be stabbing Firefox in the back, and it's been so good to me for so many years...
Avatar paul *
09-02-08 15:55
no, seriously...
i love the resizable textareas... it doesn't play nice with a few sites but it's looking pretty nice so far. it will be cool to see what it turns into.
Avatar sara *
09-02-08 16:29
Have some tea.
Oooh! I just dragged my tab outside of my browsing window AND IT MADE A NEW WINDOW!! *drags it back in* OoooOoOoOoooo....
Avatar max *
09-02-08 17:06
cyber desperado
I don't think they necessarily need to be obfuscating downloads for people on non-Windows OSes, probably a big heading saying it's Windows only is good enough, but maybe I have a personal reason to download it on Linux (and I resent having to switch my useragent).

Also, I have reservations about any software that chooses to render it's own UI components (close/minimize/etc) when the host OS offers those controls in a native look. I prefer UI standardization within a given platform.

I look forward to being able to use it semi-regularly running natively on Linux, then I'll truly be able to assess it.
Avatar chucho *
09-02-08 19:16
Breathe deep
I agree with Max regarding the UI components. It looks crappy and out of place with my theme (classic).

Also, after a quick look see, I find no way to enable mouse gestures or add-ons. It generally seems to lack customizability (if that is a word). As far as minimalist, windows-only browsers are concerned, I personally prefer my k-meleon.
Avatar max *
09-02-08 19:23
cyber desperado
It appears this will support plugins in the future, a good plugin architecture on a khtml browser with a state of the art javascript engine... sounds great, I can't wait to see where it goes.
Avatar effika
09-02-08 19:43
Prodigal Elowel User
I like it, but too many of the sites I visit have crap I need to block. Until it is able to arbitrarily block elements I don't think I'll be using it all that much.

I'm not so sure I like the new-tab-next-to-tab-that-spawned it deal, but it's something I can get used to. I definitely have qualms with not being able to drop down the location bar. I also want to be able to drop down my sites from the forward and back buttons.

When I maximize the application I'm not sure I like where the tabs are. It weirds me out that they are "floating" in this blue field that has no menu bar or title bar on top of it. This might be the wave of the future, and I'm sure I'll get used to it, but it's very different than every other Windows application I use on a daily basis. I suppose time will tell if it's something I grow to love or not. It doesn't bug me when it's windowed so I suppose I'll just use it like that most of the time.

The default skin is a bit too Fisher Price for my tastes, but that's not a big issue. Just something more for me to mess around with later.

I will continue to try out builds of it, but I'm going to have to get cozy with a resource editor to get it just like I like it, I think. (My Seamonkey builds are always tweaked all to hell because I can't let little things lie.)
Avatar david *
09-02-08 20:12
Ross Is. Br.
effika: Right click forward/back button.

Hadn't noticed about maximizing. Didn't know anyone maximized windows anymore, thought that button was just there for legacy's sake. Does maximization look good with any application with widescreen monitors (any monitor around today)?
Avatar david *
09-02-08 20:19
Ross Is. Br.
sara: That is actually my favorite feature. My traditional web browsing use is to have two instances of firefox open, each with many tabs at a time. One has everything relating to whatever I'm working on at the moment (a paper, a project, etc) and the other is my leisure stuff (elowel, email, cnn). Often times I will want to move a tab from one firefox instance to the other. There is no way to do this, so I have to copy the URL, close the tab, paste in the second browser (and this doesn't maintain where I was in the page and doesn't work for any web 2.0 stuff). Entry Chrome and yes, I can drag tabs and create new windows and merge other tabs! Yay!
Avatar teh0mega *
09-02-08 23:21
selfcentered guy
umm, ff3 can do that david. I've been doing it for a while now.

I'll use FF3 until Chrome can use ff3's extensions or comes up with equally good extension/plugin style system.
Avatar david *
09-03-08 00:49
Ross Is. Br.
Oh, you're right, it can. I know for a fact FF2 could not and I guess I had grown so accustomed to my tedious work-around that I hadn't tried it in FF3. Although, the difference are striking. FF3 doesn't move the page over, it appears to close one tab and refresh the page over there. Chrome skips the refresh process, making the whole thing seamless. FF3 loses your place on the page, any text you've typed in, and for web-apps like gmail, makes the whole thing refresh from scratch. Also, in all recent version of firefox, one window of firefox crashing always crashes all windows.
Avatar effika
09-03-08 04:20
Prodigal Elowel User
David: Ah, of course. Right click. That makes sense.

I've got a 4:3 aspect ratio for my monitor because it was on deep sale vs its widescreen sibling, so I still maximize stuff a lot. Whenever I use a widescreen monitor I rarely maximize stuff, so I see what they're going for there.

Something that I found this morning that is going to bug me, though: I can't just hit / and start searching the text of the page! It wants me to hit ctrl-f. Mozilla has been nice to bring those over for us stupid Vim users. :-)

More and more I am liking this new location bar, although I still want a drop-down list of sites that I've typed in. Often enough those serve as my quasi-bookmarks for a session.
Avatar david *
09-03-08 10:43
Ross Is. Br.
effika: I didn't know they still made 4:3! :)

Agreed that it's unfortunate that the / doesn't work, as that was a way better search than Ctrl+F on firefox, too, letting you easily click the link without touching the mouse.

Agreed also on the drop down list at the location bar. Guess you can see if the 8 most visited pages on the "homepage", hopefully that is some consolation?
Avatar max *
09-03-08 11:11
cyber desperado
Guys, I don't feel so hot about this google product.

11. Content license from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.

11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.


I never read a Google EULA before, christ on a crucifix who the hell have I been trusting with my data?

13. Ending your relationship with Google

13.1 The Terms will continue to apply until terminated by either you or Google as set out below.

13.2 If you want to terminate your legal agreement with Google, you may do so by (a) notifying Google at any time and (b) closing your accounts for all of the Services which you use, where Google has made this option available to you. Your notice should be sent, in writing, to Google's address which is set out at the beginning of these Terms.


Maybe I'm just paranoid, but holy shit why the heck do they even have those terms? And holy mother of fuck, who the hell is going to read into section 11 of a EULA? Who here who uses google services knew about this? I only read it because I wondered why there was a EULA on what I'd heard would be open source software...
Avatar unfathomablej
09-03-08 12:44
scholar of China
Apparently, the EULA got slashdotted. Uproar is going to happen, and the EULA is probably going to change, because if it doesn't someone is going to make a rebuild of Chromium.

My theory is that the legal team wanted to cover all the bases regarding data sharing for the purposes of search optimization and such, and instead of writing an eloquent license that explicitly says what its doing, they went for broke.

Google is pretty responsive (read: sensitive) about bad press, especially in tech circles, so I think something will be done about this. EULA tend to look scary, and this particular gaffe is common for most of the powerful web corporations, as AOL, Yahoo, and Microsoft have all made scary EULAs with the "we own everything" notion to it.

The problem common with legal code and programming code is that both are supposed to anticipate a fairly unpredictable span of user action, and both rely on esoteric statements to do it. The problem distancing the two, though, is that it isn't orthodox for an EULA to have comment tags in it!

But for now, I agree that this is too broad of privileges to sign over to Google to allow Chrome to be my browser, even if it is convincing that this is just a mistake due to a fracture between legal, technical, and PR teams.
Avatar max *
09-03-08 12:47
cyber desperado
I have heard this is also the same EULA one agrees to when signing up for gmail, etc.
Avatar unfathomablej
09-03-08 12:54
scholar of China
(To clarify that last comment, check out what the legal team had to say about the wording on the sections:)
In order to keep things simple for our users, we try to use the same set of legal terms (our Universal Terms of Service) for many of our products. Sometimes, as in the case of Google Chrome, this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don’t apply well to the use of that product. We are working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome.


Basically, it sounds like Google wanted it out quickly, and the legal team wasn't bothered to change their EULA beyond the default. I do share the same sense of discomfort over the image that Google gives when they release something that is supposedly open source under the BSD license. It feels like there is a shell game going, where companies use the facade of a progressive licensing scheme to placate hacktivists, and them pull the rug out from under them.

Trust issues aside, it's probable that Google was merely testing the water this time, and that they are dedicated to the cause (so to speak).
Avatar cinnamonlixx
09-03-08 12:58
lizz's journal
i maximize things and i have widescreen. :(
Avatar chucho *
09-03-08 16:23
Breathe deep
Ditto. It makes sense when you're only running one program.

Another issue: I can scroll down (really fast though), but not up. But the arrow keys work fine. Does anyone else have this problem?
Avatar yourworstenemy *
09-03-08 20:16
Your Best Friend
It's cool but I too feel like I'm stabbing firefox in the back
Avatar david *
09-03-08 20:20
Ross Is. Br.
Chucho: I don't see this problem.

Max, et al: I got in this argument many, many times at Google. It is difficult to understand at what extent Google means when they say "open source". I think they simply mean that the source will be made available so that you can be assured they're not stealing your data and you can create your own fork if you want. However, I don't see Chrome or Android having teams of non-google employees committing major pieces of code on a regular basis.

If you want to get around the EULA, just build the source from the BSD license yourself!
Avatar paul *
09-03-08 23:04
no, seriously...
the cents on your template are getting doubled (they work fine in ff...)
Avatar david *
09-03-08 23:39
Ross Is. Br.
No, no. You're silly. They're doubled in both browsers. You leave your "2 cents" for each comment.
Avatar chucho *
09-04-08 17:16
Breathe deep
Psh, I once left a whole dollar.
Avatar cinnamonlixx
09-08-08 08:25
lizz's journal
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/update-to-google-chromes-terms-of.html
Avatar paul *
09-10-08 19:42
no, seriously...
oh, lol, my bad... is that a new development or has it always worked that way?
Avatar david *
09-10-08 19:51
Ross Is. Br.
Always.
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